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Just some thoughts out there. After reading many of the replies here, I wonder if a bad habit is developing—that of using undefined terms like legalism that are being used as a blanket to throw on a wide variety of issues that need not be viewed in totality. Furthermore, what is legalism?

Is it adherence to tradition rather than Biblical laws? Is it the fear of change? Is it a personal preference that can differ from church to church—or person to person? If you sit in a church with a legalistic pastor, does that make you legalistic as well? If you are personally legalistic in a non-legalistic church, what are you really? Josh Teis needs a blog defining commonly used—and often wrongly used—terms. Inform us of your operational definitions of some of these concepts, pastor. I think you were absolutely right on most of your reply to her, except one area.

I have many friends who use different Bible versions, and I am not one to beat someone with a KJV and demean them. That is not the Spirit of Christ, and it never helped anyone. However, in a marriage, between two people who are passionate about pursuing God, the source Bible will be a big player. When they come upon a verse that could change their lives, they will have to decide whether the NIV got it right, or the KJV. Are you comfortable counseling her to move away from the truth and towards error? To downgrade to a different version is to knowingly accept error.

Everything else you said to her was spot on. I apologize for my lengthy reply, but these issues are near to my heart. This is a great article that brings to light some of the preferences that cause so much division in IFB churches. The irony is that when we study the early church we see very little evidence of HOW to run a church service, but we are rather commanded to not forsake the gathering together of believers. It saddens me that people would forsake the gathering of believers because of these secondary issues, it also saddens me that we would hold so strongly to these preferences that we would elevate them above others.

I am thankful that these issues have not caused division in the church I go to, but it concerns me that as the church grows some may let go of the hand of their brother or sister to grasp tightly to the tradition they prefer. We all would do well to understand people on the other side rather than just shutting down their arguments.

I have read a lot of comments here on the supremacy of the KJV of the bible.

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This belief is for many paramount, because if the KJV is flawed in anyway, how then can it be trusted. To write off someone that reveres the word of God as legalist or arrogant is a misguided judgement. Likewise, to write off more than half of Christianity because the prefer a different translation is foolish. Do you know that this translation issue dates back to the time of Christ?

These two versions were not always the same. Which one do you think was more accurate? Which one was inspired? If you were alive then would you only use the Hebrew since the Greek was a more modern translation. The Septuagint came hundreds and sometimes thousands of years after the Hebrew text! Did God abandon the Hebrew version when the Greek was translated? Would it surprise you to know that the Greek version, not the Hebrew, was the preferred version of the Apostles and Christ? It was quoted in the New Testament by Peter see 1 peter 4: Because the Septuagint was not used at the time of the KJV translation.

There are places where the New Testament cites the Septuagint, but only 33 where is cites the Hebrew version. Do you know what that means? And perhaps most noteworthy, Paul: This places a direct conflict in the bible! Both versions of Psalm Dear Josh, You are a gifted writer and i wish you the best. I agree with most of what you said but i travel on deputation as a missionary and i will not accept support from nob independent Baptist Churches and i will not accept support if they are an english speaking church and us3 anuthing besides the KJV.

The Bible should be the center of any relationship and if they can not even agree on that it will be unhealthy for their relationship. I am not saying that they must agree on everything but certain things they must settle first. I recenntly met a lady who Is in the same position and they were married but go to different churches.

Imagine the strain on those kids. Thevrest was good though. Love this post, Bro. So many of us have grown up thinking that some of these preferential standards were equivalent with doctrine, and that is obviously not the case. But, in the end, truth is truth, and the non-core is somewhat dispensable. I am curious… I love the KJV and have been raised on it and will continue to use it, but I have to ask a question… here is my preface….


The preacher was a godly man! Yet, I hear the underground church is growing in the nation of China, so I would conclude God is working there! I am young and am no where near Daniel status of achieving the effective life, but just a few thoughts…. As an english speaking missionary in a Spanish speaking country, I have challenged myself on this Bible issue.

Ministering in this Spanish country has lead me to ask two questions. How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknown tongue? Nature taught a natural man to confess, that all of us in those tongues which we do not understand, are plainly deaf; we may turn the deaf ear unto them.

The Scythian counted the Athenian, whom he did not understand, barbarous; so the Roman did the Syrian, and the Jew even S. Jerome himself calleth the Hebrew tongue barbarous, belike because it was strange to so many so the Emperor of Constantinople calleth the Latin tongue, barbarous, though Pope Nicolas do storm at it: Therefore as one complaineth, that always in the Senate of Rome, there was one or other that called for an interpreter: Translation it is that openeth the window, to let in the light; that breaketh the shell, that we may eat the kernel; that putteth aside the curtain, that we may look into the most Holy place; that removeth the cover of the well, that we may come by the water, even as Jacob rolled away the stone from the mouth of the well, by which means the flocks of Laban were watered [Gen Not the same folks.

Here is an Idea. Lets know why we use The KJV!! These questions were handled with grace, Pastor Teis! In some of the other comments I am hearing a lot of legalism. Sadly, I have seen legalism destroy my friends who are now not even living for the Lord. Yes, they have choices to make, but surely we do not want to have a part in someone wanting nothing with Chrisitianity before or after they are saved because we showed them more law than grace. Well said to this sweet girl and they sound like a wonderful couple who truly loves the Lord! I think we all need to define the term if we are to have a more profitable conversation.

Also — the dude with the beard — IS actually one of my closest friends, and certainly has a lot of opinions. Legalism is adding to salvation. I do these things because God has saved me by grace, and I love him. And it is also Bible principles. Jesus was a friend of publicans and NIV readers. To say that God can speak to you more clearly through one version of the bible verses another is to deny the power of God to preserve his word.

God speaks to us through different translations just as much as he can use the words of a pastor or friend to pierce our heart. How then can he not use modern translations of his Holy word? Your answer to this lady was good! If only as believers we would follow Biblical advise we would be better and happier Christians. You made me laugh when you threw in Ted Cruz!!

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We need to live by the Word and not by religious doctrines. It would be best if you, together, found a non-denominational church that followed the doctrine of the Apostles and that was open to revelation knowledge. With you full trust in God, He will direct your path and lead you into all Truth. Here are some of the differences: The Soul-Winning Issue There are clearly many ways to win souls.

The Altar-Call Issue American churches were introduced to the innovative idea of the altar call during the ministry of Evangelist Charles Finney. You Might Also Like. Too Busy For Marriage May 24, Storage Unit Syndrome September 10, Reply Bible College Graduate April 18, at 7: Reply Jamee April 18, at 7: Reply Nancy Bradley April 18, at 7: Reply Danita April 18, at 7: Reply Josue Ortiz April 18, at 7: Reply Brent George April 18, at 7: Reply Sam Jones April 18, at 7: Reply Your Worst Nightmare April 18, at 8: I take Revelation So yes, I am an avowed translation snob.

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Thanks for your opinion. You actually made me Google. Reply Jonathan Hoover April 19, at 4: I wish you the best, and appreciate the opportunity to share my views. Hoover, The basis is founded, but you are unaware of the situational context.

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Reply Green April 21, at 7: Reply Kimmi McKnight July 13, at 9: Reply Dave April 18, at 8: Reply Conner Smith April 18, at 8: I appreciate you and your ministry. Reply Mike Rowell April 18, at 9: Reply Rachella Ayala April 18, at 9: Reply Erik Stonebraker April 18, at 9: Reply Anonymous April 18, at Reply Josh Teis' best friend April 19, at 4: Reply Bob Morrissey Sr April 18, at In fact, in that area is one of the very best Bible expositors in teh country who disagrees with you, yet still holds the Bible to be error free and authoritative. Just please be careful with teh accusations you make.

I agree with you about dating sites. Be very very careful. It is easy to lie in teh world of anonymity. May 27, Messages: This forum is living proof that those who are KJVO and those who are not have a hard time getting along. If that is a conviction she holds dear then she should find somebody that feels the same.

I wouldnt make it the number one criteria but it should be highly considered if that is a deeply held conviction. Larry you know you would start an arguement by claiming that those who are KJVO do not have a high regard for the Word of God. That was a cheap shot in my opinion due to the fact that it wasn't even the main point of her thread.

I know lots and lots of pastors who use the KJV and their greek testament to do their study. They just don't feel comfortable using more recent versions. They are very Godly men who have a very high regard for Scripture. Admittedly there are kooks in the KJVO movement. Just like there are those who are trying to distort the Word in some of the newer translations. Not all of them but some. I prefer the KJ myself.

Put it this way. We wouldn't be dealing with the problem of "gender nuetral" bibles and what not if people didnt start messing with things to start with. The TNIV is a terrible translation. Well over a hundred scholars from across the world have spoken out against this translation. Furthermore, it is very common today for people to refer to paraphrases as translations. Rick Warren does this in his PDL book. Others do it as well. I believe that is wrong. It has only happened because the marketplace has been flooded with so many versions.

I think copyrighting Scripture is wrong. If its God's Word it belongs to him not the publisher. Is the publisher going to sue some church if they quote to long of a portion of Scripture from their version? I realize I have'nt made any real arguments for the KJV. Its just the Bible I use.

I don't hold it up as somekind of test of fellowship. I just trust it. I feel like this. If a person is convicted about using a particular version and they don't try to shove it down somebodyelse's throat then let that person be. You don't have to birth 19 kids, be a Christian, wear a purity ring, have long-ass hair, or agree with any of the politics of the Duggar family to apply their rules about dating and courtship to your own life.

Furthermore, so I don't lose my "feminist street cred," I'm aware that the Duggar dating rules are rooted in patriarchy. But that doesn't mean all of their dating rules are, and I trust you fine folks to keep misogyny out of your relationship rituals.

As a brief back-story in case you didn't know the ever-expanding Duggar family stars in a show called 19 Kids and Counting on TLC. The Duggars are Independent Baptists and live a fundamentalist Christian lifestyle. With their daughter Jill recently married and another daughter, Jessa, currently engaged, the show has shifted to focusing on how the Duggars court.

As you can image, purity is their priority, so fill in the blanks for yourself. While for many, that absence is a resounding hell no, some of the Duggar rules and traditions actually make more sense than you probably think. If you're searching for "The One," or someone you'd like a long-term relationship with, here are three of the Duggar rules, re-written for a more progressive audience.

And no, I won't tell you to save your first kiss for your wedding day. I'm not that crazy. Don't date, "court," which is dating with a purpose. Only date with a purpose.